January 22, 2024
Hello my Beloved,
It’s been a busy three weeks. As you already know, we spent the last week of January on lock down. I don’t think this was the planned big one we have each year. Rumors range from knife issues to drug and alcohol issues in several dorms. They never came and searched our dorm. They also didn’t turn off the kiosks. Time goes by slowly when we are on lock down.
After the lockdown, I spent the next two weeks engaging Jason. My goal was to hopefully win him to the truth. If I couldn’t, I wanted to either weaken his viewpoint where he stopped demanding it should be the only thing we ever talked about in Bible studies or marginalize it to the point where he was fearful to bring it up.
If you remember from my previous engagement with Jason, logic and reason were not of God, at least that’s what he believed at the beginning of our conversation. Jason even went so far as to say that Paul was wrong to keep using logic and reason to reach people and wound up being a failure because of it. I walked him through Matthew 11 and how Jesus used the empirical method to build a logical argument for John the Baptist’s disciples to take back to him when his faith was faltering. This appeal seemed to move Jason to accept the use of logic and reason when interacting with ideas about God and His creation. Remember, even God, in Isaiah 1:18 called his people to come reason together with Him. The Hebrew word translated ‘reason’ in the passage is ‘yakah,’ it means ‘a legal discourse.’
I had hoped winning Jason over to this point would provide us with a foundation we both could appeal to, to test the truthfulness of our respective positions. Sadly, this was not to be so.
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I had spent the time between our first and second meetings studying the verses Jason had given to me to support his position. He starts with John 6:63 and 8:51. John 6:63 says, ‘It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.’ John 8:51 says, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.’ Jason takes the passages to mean that only the spoken words of Jesus are relevant to salvation. He then appeals to Matthew 7:21 that says, ‘Not everyone who says to me ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the Kingdon of Heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father, who is in Heaven.’ Jason argues that salvation is a process. It starts with belief in Christ. That belief will then motivate us to sin less and less as we obey Christ’s commands. Salvation isn’t attained though until we reach a state of sinless perfection where the Holy Spirit comes and resides within us and we never commit another sin here on earth.
Jason bases this last part on how the King James Version of the Bible shows 1 John 3:8-9 says, ‘He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose, the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 5:18 says, ‘We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.’ According to him, not only does a true saved person never sin, it is impossible for them to sin.
I quickly looked the verses up in my ESV Bible. In each case a form of the word ‘practice’ comes just before the word sin or sinning. When I read the verses from my Bible, Jason got upset and told me that evil men had conspired together to change what real salvation was by producing the altered modern non-KJV Bibles many use today.
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I asked Jason why he believed that, and he got even more aggravated with me and chastised me for even asking the question. He mumbled something about what the Greek said, so I asked him if he had read what the Greek actually said. This time he started to attack me again for attending seminary and for relying on the words of men rather that the Holy Spirit. Since Jason was clearly getting more and more agitated, I decided to switch tactics. I calmly explained to Jason that there was no need to get upset. I told him that we agreed on much more that we disagreed on. We both loved Jesus, we both trusted what God gave to us in the Bible, and we both loved our neighbors enough to take the truths of God’s word to them. Jason calmed down and apologized. He said he knows he gets abrasive, but it’s only because he is so passionate about what God’s word says. We shook hands and parted on good terms.
At our third meeting the next week, the teacher again started the class with the current lesson in the Prison Fellowship book. The second verse he read to us was from Exodus. Halfway through his reading Jason cut him off and said he didn’t know why he was bothering to read from the Old Testament. We are clearly under the New Covenant and there is nothing in the Old Testament that applies to us anymore. The teacher politely told him that the Old Testament is still important and there are many things we can learn from it. Jason shot back that only the words of Christ are important, and he had better learn that quick. Yikes! Shots fired! While I winced at the harshness of Jason’s statement, I was blown away at the teacher’s response. Leaning forward and coming partially out of his seat, he pointed a thin finger at
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Jason and said, ‘Look boy, I don’t know what your problem is, but the last time I checked the whole Bible is God’s word and that means the whole Bible is Important!!’ What startled me is that your teacher is a volunteer from outside. He is in his mid-80’s and frail. He is a passive teacher and often brings up the fact that he feels inadequate to leading the class with 2 pastors and an inmate fluent in Greek. To see him rise up and pop his claws was funny and refreshing.
Jason responded by saying that he didn’t know why our teacher was so snippy with him, but he could clearly see that for whatever reason our teacher was upset so he would just sit back and be quiet. I decided that maybe I should intervene in an attempt to find common to focus on in the hope that the tension in the room could be brought down. I said surely, we can all agree that even though we are all under the New Covenant, there are still moral laws we are commanded to follow in both the Old and New Testament. Jason immediately huffed and rolled his eyes. This was followed by yet another remark about me being taught by men in seminary instead of the Holy Spirit. He then pointed to Jeremiah 31:33 and Hebrews 8:8-13 and said that we don’t need to look at either the Old or New Testaments to determine right and wrong. God had written his moral law on our hearts. I told Jason that I had a slightly different understanding of that those verses meant. I did have a question about his understanding, though. He told me to go ahead and ask my question. I said that I come from a very liberal denomination. Within that denomination I have had people tell me God told them they were women trapped in a man’s body, that homosexual sex was ok, and that it was ok for a man to leave his wife to marry his young secretary. I assume that you (Jason) would say that all of these
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are immoral positions. Jason nodded yes. I then said, since both of you are getting your messages from God through your hearts, how do I know which one of you is telling the truth, since I cannot look to the Bible for moral guidance? Jason looked at me incredulously and just kept repeating, ‘Come on David. Come on.’ He then refused to answer my question. I told Jason that 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says, ‘All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.’ That would include the Old Testament and the moral codes in the Bible.
Jason switched tactics and began to bash me for not understanding how to be saved and ignoring the commands of Christ. He then said I called Jesus a liar. At this point things were getting weird. I couldn’t understand why he kept getting more and more upset. I asked him when did I call Jesus a liar. He ignored my question and accused me of not knowing Greek as it pertained to 1 John 3:8-9. Thankfully, I had used the past week to investigate Jason’s previous claims on this point. I pulled out my Greek-English Interlinear New Testament and turned to the passage. I asked Jason if he read Greek. He huffed and looked away from me. I turned the Interlinear to Jason and pointed to the passage. I said look at the Greek verb ‘poeeo,’ it’s written to indicate a current, ongoing state of being. That’s why modern translations use the word ‘practice of sinning’ rather than ‘sin.’ I said furthermore, verse 7 of the passage uses the exact same Greek verb when it talks about, ‘Whoever practices righteousness is righteous.’ I asked Jason that if he believed the Greek verb in 8 and 9 was meant to describe a singular act and that single act of sin made us of the Devil,
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then does the single righteous act in verse 7 then make us righteous? Afterall it is the same verb structure.
Jason turned blood red and started yelling at me. He said I was demon possessed and he was tired of me persecuting him. I calmly asked Jason how I was persecuting him. He snapped back that my questions were persecuting him. I asked him how my questions were persecuting him. He yelled at me again and said I shouldn’t ask questions. I then asked him if he had asked me questions over the last few weeks. He said, yes, quite a few. I then asked, how is it ok for you to ask me questions, but when I ask you questions, it’s persecution?
Jason yelled at me again and jumped up. He said he was done with us and done with the Bible study; he will not be attending another one. Wow! Our teacher said in a stunned voice, ‘What just happened?’ I just sat in silence for a moment while Kenny attempted to explain to him Jason’s frustration and anger at not being able to steamroll the class with his bazaar theology. I asked both men if I has said anything wrong or acted in any way uncharitable to Jason. Both said absolutely not. They both said not only did I act charitable, but I responded in kindness when Jason personally attacked me. I still felt bad. I really wanted to win Jason over. Please keep him in your prayers. Keep his student Eric in your prayer as well. We gave Eric an Apologetic Study Bible recently and he is a new Christian. He proudly told me that Jason told him he could keep the Bible. When Jason stormed out, he dragged Eric behind him like a whipped puppy. I at least hope I can reach Eric at a later date.
There seems to be no end to the types of people God has called me to engage in here, my Beloved. Please continue to pray
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that I will have wisdom in my engagements. Even more importantly continue to pray that I will engage those around me because of my love for them and my love for God.
I love you so much my Beloved! Thank you for your continued encouragement and your own engagements with the guys. I love to hear about your own stories. Tell the other guys that engage with us that I am proud of them, I love them, and I continue to pray for them.
Love,
Me
GELPOY!
ILYSOOOM!
LAAF!
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